Chat Night Transcript for Speaking Submissively
December 8, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Views on D/s
This chat was held on December 2nd, 2009.
~lunaKM> So tonight I wanted to talk about speech and how the way we communicate can impact our submission.
Nia> tonight’s topic really struck a chord with me
angel> same here
~lunaKM> I’ve been doing a bit of non-scientific research of my own when I am out and about and am appalled at the way we talk to each other anymore.
~lunaKM> It’s like the care and respect for strangers no longer exists.
~lunaKM> But furthermore, how we talk to our family has also gone downhill.
~lunaKM> We can take our submissive nature (whether learned or natural) and use it to bring back grace and charm to conversation.
~lunaKM> You can feel free to chime in any time thoughts pop into your head, this is an open discussion.
angel> :)
angel> i didn’t want to interrupt
Nia> ty, luna
angel> i agree with you. i’ve notice how even friends in public speak to one another…
~lunaKM> I’d like to touch on gossiping, vulgarities, person bashing and docile speech with your partner
Nia> i concur…observing my and other’s speech at work shames me
angel> my Sir always tells me that you can speak about anything, but it’s how it’s presented that makes the difference
~lunaKM> Exactly and we can cover that first since you brought it up.
~lunaKM> What’s the difference between these to requests:
~lunaKM> a. I’m going to the store Sir.
~lunaKM> b. May I go to the store Sir?
angel> b is a request. a is telling/more aggressive
Nia> i see (a) as information and (b) as a request for permission
~lunaKM> You are both correct.
Nia> i think (a) would be appropriate only as a response to a question from my Mama as to where I am going?
~lunaKM> a was the more aggressive way to voice your need to go to the store.
angel> yes…i also like Nia’s (a) too :)
~lunaKM> :)
angel> i’ll have to admit, though, sometimes it’s hard
~lunaKM> With just a slight change we can turn our requests into questions or suggestions. Words that still give your Dominant the upper hand.
Nia> yes, i agree
~lunaKM> It’s totally hard, I struggle with it all the time.
angel> oh, good. it’s not just me
Nia> i have been away from my Mama for a year…we just got back together a few weeks ago and the transition is harder than i thought
angel> i’m in the same boat with you Nia. my relationship is long distance and i fall out of it at times
angel> the speech, i mean
~lunaKM> Ok, how about these two phrases…(I’m making them up as I go)
~lunaKM> a. The house needs to be repainted.
~lunaKM> b. I’m going to paint the house.
Nia> (a) is definitely more passive in tone
angel> (a) gives the Dominant a chance to respond either yes or no. (b) takes that way
Nia> however, (b) does mean that i am taking responsibility for this chore
~lunaKM> A allows a dialog to be opened up and the Dominant to make decisions.
~lunaKM> If it is your responsiblity to maintain the outside of the house, sure it might be okay, but a cost incurred for doing so may not be.
Nia> (b) does take the risk of offending your Domme
~lunaKM> It sure does
angel> i agree
~lunaKM> Speaking passively is a safer route to take when talking directly to your Dominant.
~lunaKM> Of course it’s something that comes naturally.
Nia> do you feel that it would be the same at home as in public?
~lunaKM> Nia, do you mean in conversations with your Dominant or with everyone?
Nia> with everyone, my Mama and i work together
~lunaKM> There are always occasions where passive speech just will not work
~lunaKM> Times where authority or responsibility is necessary to claim in order to make your point. But in a relationship where your submission is on display, it’s better to be subordinant in speech as well as deed.
~lunaKM> And of course this won’t work for everyone in every relationship.
angel> i think it’s the Dominant who sets the tone as well. sometimes He/She will allow you to take more verbal control of a situation. but i agree in a D/s setting it’s safer to be softer in speech
~lunaKM> My Master hates it when I say, “Whatever you’d like” (being passive) He wants to know my opinion before making decisions and giving him no options frustrates the living daylights out of him.
Nia> i am a switch and also have a sub boi, so i have to change up several times a day
angel> that’s interesting Nia. is your boi with you while you are with your Domme?
Nia> “whatever you like” drives me crazy too, i try to make suggestions, but leave it up to my Mama to set my priorities each day
Nia> so i want to learn how to keep things transparent with my speech, to emphasize my status with each of them in a non-violent manner
angel> i imagine that it is tough to switch verbal gears in that situation. i find it hard to do coming from work :) i try to stop and think of who i am speaking to (my Sir) before responding.
~lunaKM> So you could get really good with switching from passive to active speech. Set it up to an artform!
Nia> and i have 2 teenage daughters who are finding themselves…menopause on top of all of that! whew!
~lunaKM> lol, quite a handful
angel> lol..tough all the way around
~lunaKM> So, how about we move in to gossiping
~lunaKM> What do you feel about gossip?
angel> it’s a fine line between gossiping and sharing
Nia> it’s funny that when my co-workers are gossiping and i’m not, they seem to feel threatened…that i think i’m better than them by refusing to join the conversation
~lunaKM> I think a lot of gossiping is unrequested information about someone else. I used to be a huge gossip girl.
Nia> but i feel that gossip is usually more about the person who is gossiping
~lunaKM> I’d term that as bragging Nia
angel> how did you stop yourself from gossiping, luna?
Nia> not really, i don’t think that i am better than them…they just think that
Nia> yes, how did you stop, luna?
~lunaKM> Well, It wasn’t easy really. I decided that if the information wasn’t about me, that I had no right to share it.
angel> didn’t you feel like you would explode?
angel> :)
~lunaKM> So no matter how badly I wanted to talk about what happened at the party, etc, if it wasn’t me then it wasn’t my story.
Nia> true that
~lunaKM> At first I did feel that way; then I realized that I was not showing myself in a good light if I could simply talk about everyone else without a care for their thoughts.
angel> hmmm…makes perfect sense.
~lunaKM> I now get so many people wanting to share themselves with me because they know I will guard their trust
Nia> how do you keep from getting drawn into the gossip of others?
~lunaKM> And that really is more important.
~lunaKM> Well, I tend to shut gossip down pretty fast. I just tell them that I won’t talk about people that aren’t part of the conversation since we could be getting the facts wrong.
Nia> excellent point and idea
angel> yes, that is a good statement to use-it’s not harsh but puts a spin on it that others may not get the facts right either
~lunaKM> I’ve had to counter that once when someone kept going and asked them why they felt the need to talk about something that could hurt someone else’s reputation/feelings.
~lunaKM> I’ve wanted to say, ‘Is your life really that boring that we have to talk about other people?’
Nia> there are always 2 sides to every story…sometimes more
~lunaKM smirks
Nia> bravo
angel> :)
~lunaKM> I mean gossip is meant to puff up the person gossiping and tear down the person they are talking about, is it not?
Nia> there is so much that i can share about myself and listening to others sharing about themselves…why bring 3rd parties into it?
~lunaKM> So why do they need that inflated ego?
angel> good points
Nia> cursing, or as you called it “vulgarities”, is a character defect i am really struggling with now
Nia> any advice?
~lunaKM> Well, don’t laugh but I make up words instead of using curse words.
~lunaKM> So Jesus Christ has always been jimminey cricket
angel> i have to admit, the only time i do curse is during “relations”. i guess that’s not good either
angel> lol..cute luna
~lunaKM> lol, I can curse all I want during play/sex… it’s a turn on for both of us
Nia> lol…sorry i had to laugh :)
~lunaKM> That’s okay, sometimes Master repeats the word and I realize just how silly it sounds, but it keeps me from getting in trouble for cursing
Nia> for me it more about controlling my speech when i am angry/frustrated…the words just jump out before i can edit them
~lunaKM> Ah well that’s just as hard.
~lunaKM> The only thing for that is tempering…. mental counting before expressing your anger or frustration.
~lunaKM> It’s not something I’m good at yet (thus the fake curse words)
Nia> my Mama just gives a look, and i feel so ashamed
angel> good advice. taking a deep breath. think jimminey cricket
~lunaKM> lol
Nia> hehe
~lunaKM> the one that Master hates is when he says Son of a.. and I finish it with beehive!
angel> LOL
Nia> my youngest daughter charges me a quarter, fifty cents on sundays…i think i’ve paid for her college tuition this year
~lunaKM> that’s a good incentive if it makes a difference, although if you’ve paid tuition then it must not be so good.
angel> lol…money usually works. at least it benefits someone
Nia> well, i yell a lot during football games
Nia> but seriously, i realize how verbally abusive i can be, and want to change
~lunaKM> This is something that you can work on with your Dominant if you ask for help.
angel> maybe if you picture the look from your Mama before you say it, it will help you to cut down on it.
~lunaKM> Of course it’s going to be hard, but if you want to change and it’s a positive thing I don’t see why she wouldn’t help.
Nia> wow, i’ve never even asked for her help….thanks for the suggestions angel & luna
angel> :)
~lunaKM smiles. Sometimes it take someone else to point out the obvious.
~lunaKM> Are we ready for the last point I want to cover tonight?
angel> sure
Nia> yes
~lunaKM> I’ve seen this a lot on online forums and communities
~lunaKM> person/dominant bashing
Nia> ah, i’ve seen this a lot too
~lunaKM> In generalities it’s when someone says that someone isn’t a good Dominant based on one sided conversation, or that you aren’t a true submissive because of x, y and z. Essentially bashing teh person without all the facts.
~lunaKM> In an online community it is almost impossible to know exactly what is going on with someone when they write just as soon as they experience hurt or anger or fear. That isn’t the time to write, but so many do and it starts damaging the reputation of someone else.
angel> i’ve seen that a lot too
Nia> i understand the need to vent, but damaging the reputation of your Dominant isn’t going to help anything
~lunaKM> I tend to steer clear of these sorts of threads except to say that we don’t know the other person’s side or to recommend that the person reflect on the issue after the intense feelings have faded and they may see it in another light.
angel> good point, Nia. sometimes you do need to vent and for some, the online community is all they have. but, maybe it should be with a online friend and not a thread
angel> i wish everyone responded that way, luna :)
Nia> yes, being discrete should come first
Nia> or i wish that they could relate just their side without all of the damaging details (Dominant’s name, etc.)
~lunaKM> I agree
Nia> a saying in recovery programs is “if i am not the problem, there is no solution”
~lunaKM> I think that in those situations they aren’t seeing what THEY did wrong, only what is bothering them from the other person.
angel> exactly
~lunaKM> heh, that’s just about what I said
Nia> yeah, all i read in those posts is an invitation to a pity party
~lunaKM> no kidding and I never accept those invites.
angel> same here
~lunaKM> They are usually closed off to advice that doesn’t support their anger or frustration either.
angel> never thought of it that way, but that’s true
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Do you have anything else to add? What are your thoughts?
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Domesticity: The Kitchen
The kitchen is the heart of any home and having a clean and germ-free work environment for cooking and food preparation is important. Knowing some skills and cleaning tips can make keeping your kitchen clean and sparkling effortless. No longer is doing dishes and mopping floors drudgery; enhanced it can be an important part of your service when you wear your domestic servant hat.
Danae on Domestic Servitude has put together a fabulous Fall Cleaning list for every room of the house. You can download the PDF of the kitchen cleaning list here! Below is my general cleaning list for the kitchen. You can make yours more detailed and edit it for your own kitchen.
Kitchen Cleaning Checklist
- Large appliances cleaned inside and out.
- Small appliances cleaned outside and underneath.
- Counter tops washed, dried and polished.
- Kitchen cabinets wiped with furniture polish.
- Dishes washed, dried and put away or stored in dishwasher.
- Kitchen sink cleaned out, wiped and polished with cleaner.
- Kitchen floor swept and damp mopped.
- Trash removed.
Listed below are articles across the web that I have found to be helpful for setting up my own cleaning routine for the kitchen. I hope that you will explore these and if you don’t have a cleaning routine in place; consider starting one with the kitchen.
Kitchen Cleaning Tips – Easy tips and preventative measures to keeping your kitchen clean and organized.
Quick and Easy Kitchen Cleaning Tips – Preventative tips and quick cleaning to have your guests complimenting your kitchen.
Kitchen Cleaning Tips – Tips submitted by readers on LifeTip.com
Kitchen Cleaning Tips for the Lazy Cleaner – Quick and easy tips for anyone that leads a busy life.
Natural Kitchen Cleaning Tips – Using everyday household items like vinegar and baking soda to clean instead of harmful and expensive cleaners.
Stop Scrubbing: Fast and Easy Kitchen Cleanup Tips – Small tips to keep things cleaner in the kitchen before you have a mess.
Kitchen Cleaning Tips - An extensive cleaning how-to for every item in your kitchen.
15 Minute Kitchen Clean Up – Cleaning the kitchen doesn’t have to take a lot of time!
Intense Kitchen Cleaning – If you have more time, here’s a longer, more intense cleaning.
Kitchen Cleaning Tips – More little tips to keep your kitchen sparkling and germ free.
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One month into my first real time D/S relationship: A Training Review
November 16, 2009 by Guest Author
Filed under Defining Submission
This is a Guest Post by A. She is a new submissive in her first 24/7 dynamic. I received this wonderfully written review of her first 30 days and she offered to share it with everyone here. Enjoy!
It has come to my attention after reading submissiveguide.com that my training with Sir has already begun, though not outright labeled as such. Indeed, every relationship I have ever had has begun in this way, learning the likes and dislikes of my partner and trying to accommodate, but with Him, I am more aware of this process, as it is more deliberate. At the outset, on the day of our first meeting, he instructed me to wear a black dress, and sit in the park reading and await Him. I am validated to read in Luna’s writing that my concern over my appearance, and also trying to be peaceful, not fidget and patient was already a positive in the direction of desired qualities in a submissive. Since that day, we have grown together in many ways, and the ways in which I have learned to please Him are outlined below. I plan to update this list periodically, to track the ways in which I deepen my submission, the ways in which my wants and needs evolve and dovetail with His.
Speech:
Sir:
Use of the word Sir was discussed online, before we had even initially met. He indicated I could call Him whatever I wished, but desired Sir for intimate moments. As we grew closer, it applied whenever He was asserting His dominance, be it out in public, online or on the phone and I show my acceptance and submission with the honorific response.
Thank you:
At various times I have been corrected for not thanking Him for the orgasm He allowed me to have. I have begun to thank Him for blows He gives me in certain contexts, He has not commented either way on this, or corrected when I do not.
Wording:
When I removed His shoes, I asked if He would like to keep His socks or not. This is something I am still trying to work on, my natural way of speaking is to ask “can I?” but I am well aware “may I” is more appropriate. Sir does not comment on this, but I feel it is more respectful, and I’m frustrated with myself at each error.
Enunciation:
Another flaw of mine is that in the course of being together, when I am excited, I often forget the appropriate response of “yes Sir, no Sir” and may make a moaning sort of affirmation or denial. His tone changes immediately as he demands the proper response and I know I run the risk of displeasing Him should I not enunciate properly.
Positions:
Spanking:
Sir is particular about positions and protocol. When I am to be spanked, I am to kneel and bend over with my face flat, shoulders to the bed, and present myself. He prefers my back to be straight, which is difficult for me, as my natural tendency is to reverse arch my back. As I am punished, I am most often allowed to cry out, but not to move. If I flinch, I am to return to the instructed position immediately without hesitation. If I am to stand and be punished, I must brace myself stiff armed on a designated piece of furniture, slightly bent, head down.
Undressing:
I am just now beginning to learn how to undress for Sir. I feel a bit silly, but the lingerie I wear for Him helps. So far He has only specified me to remove my panties while facing away from Him, slightly bent over. Beyond that He has only asked that I please Him with my removal of my clothes, and I try to be creative and pleasing in the process.
Waiting to Serve Sexually:
When Sir decides He wishes to use me I am ordered to get on the bed, on my back, legs spread open and knees up, so He can gaze at me exposed while He readies Himself to enter me. Often I will casually hold this position, while writhing a bit, gazing at Him to allow Him to feel my passion and desire, and my hunger. Occasionally He will correct me and tell me to be still, but generally He enjoys my arousal and encourages me to exhibit these feelings.
From the Rear:
As one of Sir’s favorite ways to have me, positioning for rear entry is very important. He prefers a similar position to that of spanking, with more of a reverse lean so as to better accommodate His thrusts.
Rituals and Behavior:
Morning Check In:
Each day when I get up, I am to write to Him, tell Him my plans for the day, and say hello. Sometimes He responds with additional commands, which may include meditating on a certain subject, writing, masturbation or explicit instructions to abstain from that. Other times He responds with a brief “good morning my sweet girl.” Other times He does not respond at all. The initial contact on my part is the focus, and allows me to show that in waking up to start my day, He is in my first thoughts.
Shoes:
My first actual training occurred when we reached my home our first day together. Sir sat on my couch, and took one of the pillows, placing it at His feet, He instructed me to kneel and remove His shoes. He informed me at that time that His women do not kneel on the floor, only on pillows, and so I learned my first lesson. Now, unless we are in a rush, I kneel at His feet and put on and remove His shoes.
Worship:
In removing or putting on of shoes, I always kiss the tops of His feet. Once the shoes are off or on respectively, from my kneeling position I wrap my arms around His calves, and press my head down softly on His lap. He then bends at the waist, and embraces me and we hold that moment. In this way, I show my devotion and love, and He shows His acceptance and reciprocation.
Sir also requires certain ways of being touched, especially after intercourse. He prefers His chest to be stroked and will directly request it.
Massage:
Due to injury, regular massage is very beneficial to Him, so often I do massage His muscles for Him, both solicited and unsolicited. As I do these things for Him, I try to focus on the feelings I have for Him, all I appreciate that He does for me, and allow that warmth and tenderness to radiate through my hands. This is to me, one of the highest forms of worship and a deep communion between us.
Fetching:
I have the natural desire, when fetching something for Him, to kneel and present the item with both hands upon my return. Sir has expressed appreciation for this, and thus I adopt it.
Toys:
Sir introduces all toys and equipment by either presenting it to me or instructing me to fetch it for Him. He then presents it to my lips and I kiss it, typically a flogger, rope or a slapper, though a blindfold or other bondage instruments, hair brush, etc, are managed similarly.
When Sir is finished with the toy, or when I am cleaning up the room afterward, I am to take the toy to the closet where it is kept, and hang it very deliberately in its designated spot. I stop the swaying with my hands, then bend at the waist to kiss the item, as He watches. He then closes the closet door.
Presentation:
Sir prefers that the condom box be displayed in my room, with one always set on top, ready and anticipating His need.
Orgasm Control:
Sir has decreed that I may not orgasm without His permission. As I feel it build, I am to ask, and if He says no, resist it. This has been my sole punishable infraction to date, as the way in which He was having me made it next to impossible to resist, and in complete honesty, I wanted to see what would happen. Since that time though, with punishment looming over my head, I improved a great deal, and even redeemed myself, forgiven and excused from the punishment. Sir has been pleased to the point where He has moved on to orgasm on command.
Orgasm on Command:
Sir employs both the counting method and basic instruction for orgasm on command training and only during sex, which makes it easier for me. He wishes to lessen my response time however. I myself would like to be trained by Sir to orgasm independent of sexual stimulation; i.e. a simple word can trigger that response but that is at His discretion.
Clothing:
Usually He does not request specific items of clothing to be worn, but generally I ask when planning to see Him, what He would like for me to wear. As we are still in the beginnings of our relationship, He is not 100% familiar with my wardrobe, but I do my best to accommodate His requests.
Personal Grooming:
Sir often does request specific hair styles of me, and I do my best to please Him in this way. Also, He prefers me to have pubic hair, which I have always removed. Growing out and getting used to this hair has been challenging for me, but His pleasure in knowing it is difficult but seeing that I obey nonetheless makes it a rewarding task.
A is a submissive from Boston MA. She has experienced elements of BDSM in the past, but is now embarking on her first 24×7 collared relationship. She happily shares her progress with others who may be inspired in a similar manner. You can find her on FetLife as northern_siren.
Photo by and of A.
Am I Submissive?
November 4, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
So, you want me to tell you how you can tell if you are submissive or not? Asking someone else if you are submissive is like asking a blind man what color your dress is. Is there some magical online quiz that can say whether you are submissive or slave? Unfortunately no and I don’t think I’d listen to the results of one if it existed either. Submission isn’t something you can find in a self-help book or a therapist. Submission is a calling.
No, not the same kind of calling that religion speaks about; but similar. Some people find submission to be a natural way to live; something that comes to them easily and simply. To be a natural submissive means you have something innate and inherent in them that disposes them to submission. Others have to learn about submission step by step. I’ve written about my own experiences with learning submission in the post Submission by Choice. When you feel inside that you are happiest when submitting, that’s when you know you’re submissive. There is no secret to it.
Hearing your inner voice tends to be the hardest thing. You’ve probably come to this post because either someone said you are submissive and you want to know more or you’ve heard that inner voice and you are curious about what it means. Hopefully you will leave here with some understanding of submission and how you know if you are submissive or not.
It will take soul searching, no doubt about that. Trust me when I say that you can not become submissive if you do not have the basic inclination to serve and the emotional pleasure of being available to serve. Once you have that, you are well on your way to knowing you are submissive.
Let’s take a look at the following four spaces to help you figure out if you are submissive. Apply them however they will work for your own personal situation.
Knowing you are submissive will have a mental aspect to it. When you think of serving others does it put you in a peaceful position? If it feels like the logical thing to do then it probably is. When I found that I was happy being submissive I stopped fighting myself and accepted being happy.
You may also have a spiritual connection to submission. I’ve often described my connectedness to my Dominant as being in prayer. I feel a higher power sort of connection when I please him. You may have an overall sense of bliss or complete happiness thinking about or participating in service.
Connecting to submissive can have an emotional response as well. You may cry uncontrollably, or smile so hard and so often that your cheeks hurt. There is a clear sign that you are submissive when you can look upon being of service to someone else and your heart aches with need. Your emotional response is usually the strongest response to submissive stimulus that you will be able to experience.
Lastly when you are submissive you will develop a physical response to Dominance exerted at or near you. For many this is sexual excitement but it could also be a need to physically get up and do something to bring your closer to that Dominance. I’ve had moments that only felt perfect when I listened to the primal urge to kneel or kiss his hand or do something to serve him.
Feeling all of these things at one time or another usually means you have a submissive mindset. It may not happen all the time, but the moments that do you should try to feed it. Develop a service you can provide someone else, volunteer in your community and certainly, if you can explore a relationship with Dominance and submission at its core. You may find the calling you were hearing was one thing or another… or all of the above. Only you can know if submission is the right direction for you.
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Chat Night Transcript From What is Service Talk
October 15, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Views on D/s
lunaKM> So, first I’d like to get some impression about how new you are to submission. Could you please tell me how long you have been exploring submission and if you are in a relationship right now?
lunaKM> hello aquamuse
aquamuse> Hello, I’m new of course.
eagerslut> I am in a relationship and just recently discovered I am submissive and asked my master to teach me. Previously he had other subs
selene1123> i am currently in a 24/7 m/s relationship…have been exploring submission for about 6 months
aquamuse> I am in my first positive and healthy D/s relationship now with a man who is just discovering how much he likes it when I do what he asks.
aquamuse> about 6 months.
eagerslut> We always have had a sexual d/s relationship but 2 wks ago i discovered I wanted a 24/7
pleasure> i am in a 24/7 D/s relationship for over 6 years now…..i am 53 and in the lifestyle 6 1/2 years
bc26_2> i have only been doing this since march of this year and i am in a D/s relationship for that same amount of time
lunaKM> I’ve been living 24/7 for 5 years, just so you know ;)
pleasure> smiles
eagerslut> :O:
lunaKM> Ok, so we have a range of experience levels. thank you so much for sharing with me.
pleasure> it’s an ever evolving lifestyle and growth, no matter how long one has been in it
eagerslut> That is what I believe
lunaKM> Now, what do you think service is to you? No answer is wrong.
selene1123> To me, service is anything i physically do for Master’s purpose or enjoyment
aquamuse> I’m going to venture here and say service is being totally available, open and willing to comply. This assumes my basic needs are taken care of and put to the side for the time being.
eagerslut> Doing something for someone that would make them happy,even if you don’t feel like doing it. Giving your heart and soul to please that person
pleasure> nick/pleasure…….service/submission..is all the same to me…what ever makes my Sir life easier, happier…and i might add that i am actually more a slave
lunaKM> I’ve always believed that service is a part of my submission and what I give to my Master on a daily basis. Service is, to me, the activities that help the house run, our life be enjoyable and the basic needs met.
pleasure> yes exactly luna
eagerslut> That is very true
lunaKM> But I had someone explain to me yesterday on my recent post that they believe service is separate from submission
lunaKM> and I really like that explanation she gave too.
bc26_2> i agree with service being anything that makes the house run and enjoyable…even when my Mistress is not here
selene1123> i see service as the physical representation of my emotion submission
selene1123> *emotional
aquamuse> I like that selene1123
lunaKM> I’m going to quote it here… CarrieAnn said: To me, service and submission are different. Service is something I do because I’m required to or even want to but doesn’t necessarily require that I submit to anything or anyone. I can not have a submissive bone in my body and still serve. Submission is more direct; surrender to his will, submission to his dominance. The two often merge but are not always one and the same.
eagerslut> I like that too
bc26_2> oh i like that too
pleasure> yes i like that
eagerslut> I can see that point
lunaKM> So as you can see for some of us they are the same thing, but for others they are separate
lunaKM> Perhaps that is why I see people identify as service submissives?
eagerslut> As is everything in life we are all different and we interpret things differently,from our own background
eagerslut> I like that term
bc26_2> i feel that i am in service to many — myself, my Mistress, my daughter at some level…but i submit to only my Mistress
lunaKM> If we can agree that service is likely to be activities and not emotional in nature then perhaps we can come up with a list of things that are service?
aquamuse> I can agree with the definition.
eagerslut> I am a nurse so I feel I service others on a daily basis but I submit to my MAster .
bc26_2> i agree
lunaKM> alright so is my daily coffee preparation for my Master service or submission?
lunaKM> How about the daily chores?
pleasure> i am a nurse too,as like eager, i only submit to my Sir
eagerslut> C
selene1123> i would consider daily tasks or chores service
aquamuse> by definiton – these are examples of serice.
eagerslut> keeping the house clean
selene1123> but why you do it and how you do it is an aspect of submission
eagerslut> making sure my Masters children are taken care of
pleasure> laundry, making the bed..keeping the house clean is all service…
* lunaKM nods
lunaKM> Is sex a form of service?
eagerslut> BAking.massages,listening
aquamuse> baby making?
pleasure> my Sir has set in rules for a clean house
pleasure> yes i believe that would be a service aqua
selene1123> sex to me is a form of service
pleasure> i agree selene
eagerslut> Yes I think sex is a form of service,but I love it so much it definitely isn’t a chore
pleasure> no chore here either lol
aquamuse> hehe
lunaKM> Are all things service related as chores though?
pleasure> service doesn’t have to be something enjoyed
lunaKM> I’d think that there are some things you do that you enjoy just as much as sex as service.
aquamuse> I have things like workouts and keeping a calendar updated – are these service by our definition?
pleasure> no i don’t think all things service related are chores
eagerslut> I hate to cook but I do it because my Master loves it when I do. He generally does most of the cooking but I know he is very pleased when I do
lunaKM> I believe so aqua
selene1123> service itself is enjoyable to me…even if the act i am performing may not be
lunaKM> For me that’s hard to get in touch with selene1123. I’m quite expressive in my face and even if I try not to show my displeasure at a task he tends to figure it out.
bc26_2> i agree with you selene
pleasure> yes but you are still serving luna
aquamuse> me too selene1123
lunaKM> heh, I hear that a lot from him also :P
eagerslut> I do also
lunaKM> Next thought…. do all submissives serve and do all that serve submit?
pleasure> no
eagerslut> No
aquamuse> no
bc26_2> no
lunaKM> In what way can we describe the separation?
pleasure> it’s clearly upon each individual and the circumstances of the relationship
eagerslut> I think they are interchangable
pleasure> i don’t think there is line to divide the two….they do intertwine at times for many of us
selene1123> some may serve out of necessity or arrangement (like a stay-at-home mother or father) but that doesn’t mean they are submitting
pleasure> very true
eagerslut> Yes I agree
pleasure> to submit for me is doing something i detest….and yet serving
pleasure> does that make sense ?
lunaKM> Why do you think service is held in such a high place when Dominants talk about what they would like in a partner?
lunaKM> It does pleasure.
eagerslut> I think serving is a task you can do for anyone and submission is giving your being over to your Master.
eagerslut> To establish routines
pleasure> first of all….Dominates…are predominately Male….and have different ideas and thoughts as to what serving is…it’s what and how They define it
aquamuse> I know my Lover simply enjoys the idea that I obey him in simple requests. I think the power of that has suprised him.
eagerslut> To esatblish who is in control
selene1123> i agree with eagerslut – to emphasize who has the reins in the relationship
aquamuse> I agree too with eagerslut
lunaKM> I think that since service is what they can see immediately as a result of their dominance that they tend to place that a bit higher in importance
lunaKM> submission may not be immediate, but you can serve
eagerslut> Yes how true
pleasure> yes
aquamuse> that idea works for me luna.
selene1123> i can see that
pleasure> there are those that identify as bottoms..they serve..but don’t submit
lunaKM> So is the desire to serve natural or something learned?
eagerslut> Both
aquamuse> for me it seems to be natural.
pleasure> one can only answer for themselves….for me it natural…and yet i feel it can be learned
eagerslut> Some come by it naturally but anyone can learn to serve if they desire
lunaKM> it’s completely learned for me. and it’s not coming easy, that’s for sure
bc26_2> it depends – it is natural for me
aquamuse> I read your bio today.
lunaKM> which one aquamuse?
selene1123> yes, it depends on the person…i’ve always felt the need to serve, though i never really had an outlet before Master
eagerslut> I am a mixture. I have some inherent ability to serve but I can be very selfish at times
aquamuse> Luna.
lunaKM> Oh I meant which site did you read it on
eagerslut> I agree with selene
pleasure> i am a nurse..to serve is natural….
aquamuse> Yours Luna, you mentioned that the whole submissive thing was contrary to your persona? I hope I got that right?
lunaKM> yeah, I’ve had to do some rewiring. It goes opposite to how I was raised.
lunaKM> I get the greatest thrill though when I do something in full submission mode though.
aquamuse> on the Submissive Guide
lunaKM> Which is probably why I’ve stuck with it.
eagerslut> i always thought taht being liberated and independent I couldn’t be submissive but I have found that since I have given myself over to it I am more liberated
lunaKM> There were a good 6 months I considered going Domme. ;)
pleasure> i lived in a marriage of 23 yrs, and didn’t realize till after my divorce that he was controlling..not Dominate ..there is a difference..and to the way one submits to each
bc26_2> can you describe what you mean by full submission mode
aquamuse> * smiles*
pleasure> you are free now to be who you really are inside
eagerslut> Yes controlling is different My first husband was a controller
selene1123> i agree eagerslut…Master likes to make fun of the fact that i am a feminist submissive
lunaKM> full submission mode for me is when I’m given a task and as I’m performing it, no matter what that is, I feel a peace, like all the pieces fit just right, a perfection at my choices in life.
lunaKM> I’d like to attain that as permanently as possible, but right now it’s just fits and starts.
eagerslut> You explained that beautifully
eagerslut> I will strive for that
bc26_2> nice
lunaKM> I get like a buzzing in my head almost when I get there, and my heart swells in my chest. It’s grand.
aquamuse> I wan’t that too.
pleasure> good way to explain it luna……for myself, luna, i call that “focus”
lunaKM> yeah, it is a focus, sure!
selene1123> to me, it’s a moment of perfect connection with Master
pleasure> smiles
eagerslut> :)
lunaKM> Do any of you provide any unique service to your Dominant?
eagerslut> I remodeled his home,laid tile
pleasure> well….grins ..everything from toweling Him dry after a shower..to tying of His shoes
bc26_2> wow – you go
eagerslut> Had to go to Home depot to learn that
pleasure> Dom Depot lol
eagerslut> ;)
lunaKM> Master loans me out to the BDSM communities around us when calls for volunteers are needed for events. I’ve folded pamphlets to checking people in at the door and serving as hostess.
lunaKM> He’s not as … outgoing as I am… so he says I go in his place :P
selene1123> i act as His personal assistant…He hates writing, remembering appts, anything like that so i kinda “manage” things for Him
lunaKM> I am also Master’s chauffeur. He never drives
eagerslut> I get him out of the house to exercise he hates to get going but enjoys it once he does
eagerslut> Mine hates to drive also
* lunaKM chuckles I wish I could do that for my Owner. He just says watching me is enough workout.
pleasure> we mentor others in the lifestyle..and i have given classes as other Doms request Their subs/slaves need training in areas of service that the Dom is not able to do
pleasure> (at)
lunaKM> I suppose Submissive Guide is a service I provide too
pleasure> oh yes luna !! smiles
eagerslut> Yes it helps me
pleasure> a service to all that reads it
aquamuse> Good service!
selene1123> very informative for the new slave!
bc26_2> agreed
pleasure> being in the lifestyle for over 6 years now, but i am still a child learning my way
lunaKM> Like eagerslut said, she had to learn something in order to serve in a way or another. What have you went out to learn so that you could serve better?
pleasure> i took geisha classes ! lol
eagerslut> I love to learn and feel like I would wither away if I am not learning
lunaKM> what are geisha classes like?
pleasure> learn grace, pose …..
eagerslut> Oh I would love to do a geisha class
bc26_2> i am putting together a list for my Mistress now on things I need to learn
aquamuse> I learned the theory’s of lifting weights and started workout out.
lunaKM> oh lordy, Master would so have me in a grace and poise class in a
heartbeat.
bc26_2> lol
pleasure> it was fantastic….a part of me woke up, literally…..seeing His eyes the first time i walked in the room with out plunking down on the floor at His feet lol
eagerslut> I love the grace of a geisha. my Master lived in Okinawa and he is into that
selene1123> Master has discussed sending me to geisha classes, but the closest ones are almost 6 hours away :(
eagerslut> :(
lunaKM> awesome I doubt there are any around me, but I’m sure I can find some reference materials online ;)
aquamuse> I read that book about Gehsha. Loved it!
pleasure> google it selene…there are online sites that have wonderful tips, ect
eagerslut> I’ll do that also
aquamuse> I believe beauty is a service.
eagerslut> I have been practicing yoga and getting into position gracefully
pleasure> i may be in jeans and t-shirt one day , dirty in garden dust….but i have a feeling..of being sexy…
pleasure> oh yes i agree aqua
selene1123> definitely aqua
eagerslut> I feel sexy when I think of my Master
pleasure> taking pride in your appearance
lunaKM> Alright, anything else you’d like to cover about service?
bc26_2> yes, taking pride in appearance
eagerslut> Appearance is very important
eagerslut> I love shaving and getting ready to see him
eagerslut> He loves for me to wear dresses and heels.The heels are definately a service
selene1123> haha, my Master is the opposite
pleasure> i shave daily, sometimes twice if we are having company, for a teaching session for others ….shaving is a daily service for many subs/slaves
selene1123> i wear dresses and heels all the tim, so He likes me to wear jeans and sneakers
pleasure> your behavior…just as appearance reflects service….and it reflects back to Your Dom/Master
eagerslut> Yes my Master has already informed me of that. To speak succinctly when asked a question and to think before I speak
pleasure> yes and in a quiet tone…..
pleasure> in geisha training, words are not needed
pleasure> it’s your body that speaks for you
pleasure> the way you move….kneeling down to tie His shoe, He knows i have arthritis in both knees..that is service though painful for me
eagerslut> true
lunaKM> Well ladies that is all I have for tonight. I can stay for another half hour to chat so I’m going to open the floor for free chat if anyone would like to stay.
eagerslut> I’m going to have to get a geisha outfit now
bc26_2> thank you very much for the chat luna
eagerslut> That you for your insight luna
aquamuse> Thank you luna.
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What It Means to Be an Owned Kajira
September 15, 2009 by Guest Author
Filed under Defining Submission
Today’s guest post is by dina from Kajiradreams. She’s donated a few posts for this week on Gorean Living so watch for them in the coming days!
My Master gave me the task of writing down my thoughts on what it means to be an owned kajira. I can only ever write this from my own feelings and own perspective, and to be honest it has taken a lot of thinking about. Most of my thinking though has been centered around making all the incoherent, disjointed thoughts make sense and I am still unsure if it makes any sense to anyone bar me!
I am stuck at the end of it though with one word. Just one simple word which to me sums up everything it means to me to be an owned kajira.
Peace.
Now, I know my Master will not accept from me one word as the totality of my thoughts *smiles* so I know I am going to have to write more, to give Him the inner workings of my mind and feelings so he can dissect them at his leisure; stored away for future use as He sees fit…. (me, cynical?…. Noooooo!) Ah well, my thoughts are not my own anyway, they belong to my Assassin – just like every single part of me.
But that is part of what it means to be owned isn’t it?
To be owned as kajira means:
- I have not just submitted myself to another, I have willingly and freely surrendered my totality to my Master.
“Submit = to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others.”
“Surrender = The act of surrendering; the act of yielding, or resigning ones person, or the possession of something, into the power of another; as, the surrender of a castle to an enemy; the surrender of a right.”
Please note the difference in words. By submitting to my Master I put myself before him for consideration or approval.. I have free choice whether to accept that decision or not. I choose whether to accept his authority over me. However, owned kajira not only submit, they must also surrender, I am not only deeply compelled within myself to surrender, but demanded to by my master – and I have no doubts that my Master will hold me to ever single letter of that word. Owned kajira willingly and freely gave up all choice and decisions by accepting their Master. my Masters’ word is final and absolute. (and I think I may have just frightened myself a little here…)
- Owned kajira have no rights, I have no rights. I have only privileges, granted or removed as my Master deems appropriate.
As human beings we have grown up with basic concepts of our own rights. We have a basic human right of free choice, a right to decide what we want, a right to act without asking permission, a right to choose a career, what to wear, who to talk to, a right to be our own person. kajirae feel the need within themselves to give up those rights… whether they initially realise that need or not. As an owned kajira, I freely gave those rights up. Yes, it is an interesting process to relearn what we have been taught from birth and it is not without a few stark realisations along the way. A simple privilege for me is that my Master gives me the right to blog, but I know that right could be taken away from me without any explanation whatsoever, regardless of my feelings. For me, writing is part of me, part of who I am, it gives clarity to my thoughts, allows me to get them out of my head and be able to look at them objectively. It is an integral part of me, but if my Master decided he did not want me to, then so be it.. I am owned, I gave up choice remember.
- I belong, wholly, to Him. Mind, Body, Soul, Heart.
I am laughing now, I want to just put here refer to first point! I can’t do that though can I? As kajirae we have a need, a calling within us to submit to another. Master recognises within me things I know I don’t, but that does not mean to say they are not there, just that I have not acknowledged their presence yet. Whether the word we use is submissive, kajira, bottom… once we recognise we have that need it is pretty hard to ignore, it’s as if we have finally recognised the gaping void that signifies we are not complete. For an owned kajira though, it becomes more than just a ‘play’ session or scratching an itch. It is a deep-seated need to belong to that person in our entirety 24/7. A Master may claim your body first, with minimal work maybe part of your heart – but He is not satisfied with that. my Master is not satisfied with that. my Master has without question demanded and claimed the whole of my heart, my thoughts, which now centre around him and my spirit, which cries out to be with him. With him I feel whole and complete and I can only be complete with him as my Master. By belonging to my Master in ALL ways, he has every right to use me, train me, mould and shape me into whatever he desires: and now I am left with my only desire being to serve him, to please him. Don’t think I have forgotten though that if I don’t please him, he has every right to punish me in any and every way he sees fit. He also has every right to cause me pain for the sheer hell of it – because it pleases him.
- I live to serve Him. To please him.
Yeah yeah, vanilla reading this will think wtf?! I think the majority of subs and maybe even unowned kajirae would be thinking why would anyone be so sad as to have one person as the centre of their life, their existence? Sorry, but I honestly feel this is something very internal and personal within an owned kajira. Only with my Master and being owned can I be complete, but I cannot be kajira or owned without giving my Master my all. The only thing left within me then, becomes the desire to serve and to remain owned. I cannot now comprehend life without my Master, life as unowned or free. I am in no way shape or form, free.
- His will is my desire.
This just follows on from the last one. It does not matter how much I do not wish to do something, or how much I try to fight against it, in the end it all boils down to the same thing. my Master is my whole world and no matter how much it hurts me to say it, I would do anything he asked of me. That I must say hurts for one reason only and I am not prepared to write that reason here.
- Trusting my Master, totally without condition or question.
A good Master who is true to himself would not think of collaring a submissive unless he was prepared to take on the inherent responsibility that implies. all submissives whatever their level of submission give trust to their Master or Dom, it is part of the deal. For owned kajirae, for me… it goes far far beyond that basic conditional trust of “you have my trust but/until…” my Master owns me, for me to surrender myself to him completely as he demands, I have no choice but to have a trust in him that has no boundrys or conditions. I trust my Master to push me to my limits, to explore my limits, to know how far to push before stepping back and allowing me to come to terms with that new realisation that yet another thing has changed.
- I must be true to what I am.
I am what I am, period. We all to varying degrees instinctively hide our true selves from others, whether that be thoughts, feelings, desires, needs. I as an owned kajira cannot hide, I must be true to what I am for my Master. That means dropping all that facade, the barriers that naturally come to mind when we feel the need to protect ourselves. I am in no position to protect myself, I am kajira. It is not my place to. It is not my place to hide my emotions, or tame them unless my Master wishes. It is my place to be the loving, clumsy, sensual, bolshy, caring, frightened, strong, impaitent, intelligent, emotional, imaginative, feral (yeah, i know) person that I am.
…Which all brings me back to that one simple word… PEACE. I can try to fight all I want who I am inside, but in the end I will not win because I am what I am. I can try to fight my feelings, but love is not to be fought against, only fought for. I cannot win a fight to not love someone. Being an owned kajira to me means one thing, being at peace with myself. Actually accepting who I am – and being lucky enough to find in my Assassin, my Love Master and completion.
Last night something happened. Me in my panic desperately thought of ways to try and resolve or excuse what could be an issue which would bring about a seriously major change. I even took a picture of what I had decided to do and sent it to my Master. Thing is, after I sent the email I just closed the computer down. I could not do what I had blindly resolved. The reason why I could not go through with my half baked plan?
my Master.
I am kajira….HIS kajira.
I trust him without question.
I love him.
I have surrended my body, mind, spirit and heart into his hands, his care.
I must be true to what I am.
I could not do it because it would not have been what my Master wanted. So, no matter what comes of it, I will face it honestly and front on. I cannot do anything else because at the end of the day, I am my Master’s kajira and I belong at the feet of my Assassin. If that means dealing with an issue quicker than I thought then so be it.
dina writes in her blog at kajiradreams. Watch for her other guest posts coming up on this site!
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June 12, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
Is the desire to be submissive natural or is it part of the way you were brought up? Especially when there was abuse involved. Those internal radars go off and want to blame the abuse for how you live your life now. I can’t say that I have the global answer, but I do have my answer. That seems good enough for me.
I read a post over at a submissive’s musings where she discusses how submissives are wired different depending on their home life as a child. She even goes on to say that 75% of submissives were abused as children (even though she admits this number may be wrong and only uses the statistic for childhood sexual abuse). In fact, I’m certain it is. The math just doesn’t make sense. Let’s put those numbers in perspective. Say 100 BDSM submissives are in a room and going on the assumption that 20% of the room have been abused as a child, that doesn’t make out to 75 people.
Now, if we take the statistics for all abuse as a child, which I found at ChildWelfare.gov. It says, and rightfully so, that the statistics are hard to measure. We have the fact that not everyone will admit to abuse as a child, but of those that do the maltreatment rate in the US was 12.1 per 1,000 children in the population in 2005. That’s 1.21%. This statistic includes all forms of abuse; sexual, physical, emotional and mental as well as neglect.
What does work in my mind is that the BDSM population has the same or similar composition as the population as a whole, I mean we are a varied group of people correct? So, I can safely say that of everyone with a BDSM mindset that is submissive, 1.21% were probably abused as a child. That does leave many other to wonder if this statistic is correct as well. But as I see it, ask any submissive that was abused as a child if being in a BDSM relationship feels natural and I’d say the majority will say that no, it didn’t… at first.
Yes, I’m in that 1.21%. But also, if you have read here for at least a year, you will have heard me say on numerous occasions that I am not naturally submissive. Perhaps I was and the abuse rewired me? I know that growing up, I vowed to never let anyone get under my skin and they would not hurt me. If they did, I would hurt back. I’m still fighting this new wiring.
If I was submissive from birth (which isn’t likely if you follow familial birth patterns. I’m firstborn, thus natural dominant) and then my parents abused me, turning me inward and fighting the submission, what would really make me change as an adult? Most other nature vs nurture debates say that once nurtured the change is complete. If you are nurtured to abuse, you become an abuser. Wouldn’t that then, for hypothetical purposes, make me more likely to be a domineering dominant with a penchant for causing pain? (I am NOT saying dominants are all abusers, heck no. This is hypothetical and if I have to keep placing disclaimers then your mind is wandering where it shouldn’t go.)
What keeps me from being an abuser? Several factors.
- I fear it. I’m constantly afraid that I will listen to that voice that says, “You were abused, why not strike out at those that hurt you.”
- I am in control of it. I know when my anger has reached a peak where I need to step away or face the fear of becoming.
- I refuse to accept that it can happen. This is the strongest for me. I will not become an abuser because I refuse to let myself. In this capacity lies my desire to not have children. I believe that in my fight against my nurturing, I solidified the distaste in having children. I will not subject another life to my possible weakness. This is what makes me strong.
So back to the idea we are wired differently from libby’s post. Yes, we all are born to different circumstances and there is nothing wrong with choosing later in life to be in a BDSM relationship no matter how you were raised.
What do you think about childhood abuse and its relation to a BDSM submissive? Is the percentage higher? Lower? Why do you think so?
Moving deeper into this, why do you think the NLA-I DVP exists? It exists because there is domestic abuse in BDSM relationships. How many of those do you think the abuser was once the abused? So of that 1.21%, we have people who returned to what they knew, abuse. We also have others who became abusers without childhood exposure. This post is not about those who evolved into abuse. Are submissives who were abused more likely to pair up with someone who becomes or is a BDSM abuser? Well, how likely is it that a vanilla domestic relationship, the submissive partner moves from one abuser to another? It is what they know. (My mother is one of those; I can’t get her to see reason.)
I can’t say I know why I found submission to be my calling and why I feel fulfilled in this role in relation to my past abuse. I can say that my childhood has no relation to my partner choices or my love of pain as pleasure. I refused to allow it to mold me in that way. I’ve taken back my right to chose who I am.
*BDSM submissive in this case is a submissive in a BDSM relationship or looking for one, not just someone with a submissive nature; we all know that submissives exist everywhere but not necessarily all are into BDSM.
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Accepting 24/7 D/s as Real
June 9, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
Part of the typical criticism of D/s full-time is that it can’t be real. No one can live 24/7 D/s. I hear it a lot. These people say that life gets in the way and you can’t be Dominant and submissive all the time. The people that say they can’t lead a 24/7 life always throw excuses in the mix that sound something like this:
Kids get sick, job gets busy, your friends ask more of your time. You can’t be D/s during these exchanges, that’s real life, that’s what gets in the way of living the lifestyle 24/7. No one can avoid it and no one can be in the role all the time.
I beg to differ. It’s a matter of setting priorities.
For lifestyle submissives, submission isn’t what they do, it’s who they are. They can’t change that anymore than the color of their eyes or who their family is. It’s a part of them. To tell them that they can’t be who they are all the time is absurd in those situations. We all wear different hats; the parent hat, co-worker hat, concerned friend hat and so forth. These hats dress your core person. A lifestyle submissive isn’t wearing a submissive hat.
This is the sort of person that generally argues against the ‘24/7 is not real’ camp. For them it’s all they know. Their job, their relationships, their family all fall under this 24/7 life. They know how to manage the role in all of the situations that everyday life throws at them because they don’t have to wear the hat. Natural submissives usually have an easier time at this, but I know many submissives that found submission late in life and have made submission who they are.
That isn’t to say there are those who choose to wear a submissive hat. There are plenty of them, and for them it can be true that 24/7 D/s just can’t happen. That’s because submission isn’t in their core person. It’s a hat they wear when they have time, or are in the right moment. They can not have 24/7 D/s. That doesn’t make them any less of a submissive and I think that’s the main argument between these two camps.
No one wants to feel that they are less than another. Submission is submission, but so many people have a drive to compare themselves; either to be better or to find fault in themselves. Neither of these ideas is healthy. As I’ve said many times on this blog, your submission is unique and the reason there isn’t a manual is that each path is different. You may pick another journey up the submissive mountain. The goal is the same and when you stand up on the peak, remember that there are so many further down the mountain having a similar struggle as yours.
If you take your lifestyle into 24/7, that is your reality. You focus your life around this and most can find it quite fulfilling to do. Accepting that not everyone can get there is a part of accepting your uniqueness.
Develop your reality to be worthwhile for your relationship and you may find that your side of the mountain is easier to scale and full of rewards. The only real life is yours.
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When Submissives Go Wild: Sub Frenzy
June 3, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under BDSM Basics
Submissive Frenzy is a state of mind that you may experience at any point in your submission. It is most commonly associated with new submissives, but it can also come about when more seasoned submissives end a relationship or even during a relationship. During submissive frenzy, you may feel a desperate need to have your desires fullfilled. Many of the activities in BDSM can be considered addictive and frenzy is much like a withdrawl stage.
I imagine that many of you during your younger years found a unspecific need or desire for something that you could not name. It possibly caused confusion and frustration and perhaps outbursts. You couldn’t name what you were needing, but there was a need. Then when you found out about submission and BDSM there was a moment where that need was named. In that moment it is likely that you began the initial stages of submissive frenzy.
You wanted it, you needed it, you had to have it and anything you could do to experience what you were longing for for so long had to be met. Dangerously, this leads to lack of common sense and rational thought, desperation and risky behavior. It is quite common that first experiences done in this frenzy can have a negative or damaging effect on the novice submissive. Your judgement is blurred and the Dominant you are in contact with could seem too wonderful, you ‘fall in love’ faster and will do anything to experience what they are offering.
During my initial sub frenzy I met with a Dominant at their house, at night, for the first time. He was nice at first, but then things lead to play and it went too far. He harmed me in a no go zone. I accepted his apology but just 2 weeks later, he did the same thing again. This time landing me in the ER to have my tailbone area drained of fluid and bruising. This event straightened me up pretty fast and I become more cautious of who I saw and when. I would never wish this experience on anyone, however. Try not to feed the frenzy, no matter how desperate you may be.
As I noted earlier this state of frenzy can occur at any point in a submissive’s life and is not limited to the new submissive. In fact, it occurs sometimes even stronger in more seasoned submissives. They have a need that they recognize as perhaps to ‘have their edges taken off’, and they know exactly how that can be done through their own experience. The difference is that the older submissive can then ‘evaluate’ what part of their need is pressing upon them. Many then learn to go to a Dominant they are not bonded to and ask this person they trust (often as a good friend) to relieve their physical need (play). Many Dominant’s (experienced ones) will be willing to assist or aide their friend knowing that keeping the submissives edges down will allow that submissive to retain the majority of their rational functions while they are seeking their next mate. This action ‘reduces’ the submissives vulnerability. – Sub Frenzies, Mistress Steele
You may need and want to have your desires met with such fervor that you make the wrong decisions, but hopefully I have given you tools here on Submissive Guide to recognize what is safe and what is not. Frenzy is a natural response to the needs you are discovering. Allowing it to take over your other primary goals in life, however is dangerous and should be monitored. Find friends in the lifestyle and talk to them when you are feeling a surge in desire. Try to keep the monster at bay until you can find an outlet in a safe and rational way.
photo by tonypavone
Can I Be Abused in a BDSM Relationship?
June 2, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under BDSM Basics, Safety, Video Posts
This week’s video post is about BDSM vs. Abuse.
A BDSM relationship, especially one with sadomasochistic moments, is subject to questions all the time about it’s proximity to abuse. It is not uncommon to have people unfamiliar with BDSM to say that what we do is abuse and violence; we see it all the time portrayed incorrectly in the media. Others associate criminal sadists with the BDSM scene, again something we have to struggle against.
A healthy BDSM relationship is one where people exchange power, sensations or experiences in a consensual, mutually fullfilling way. These exchanges increase self-esteem and all parties are are actively invested in the well-being of their partners and themselves.
The core of BDSM is consent. No one will disagree with this. We are all aware, hopefully, that abuse is not consensual. If you feel that what is going on is ‘not right’ then you certainly should investigate if it is abuse or not. Some of what you may feel could not be abuse at all, but it’s good to know for sure. The harm associated with abuse can be physical, emotional, mental, sexual, social or economic. Here are some thoughts on whether the BDSM relationship you are in might be abusive from The National Leather Association-International Domestic Violence Project.
- Abuser may coerce or force a victim into agreements without their full informed consent, especially long-term contracts with newcomers.
- Abuser may manipulate a victim into financial or emotional dependence without taking precautions should conflict occur or the need to leave arise.
- Abuser may exert non-consensual control, dominance or abuse of a partners children or make demands that go against maternal or paternal responsibilities. (I.E. Restricting access to children as punishment.)
- Abuser may use threats of abandonment or loss of current5 contract if new demands are not met.
- Abuser may force victim to do things alone, together or with others in ways that violate or compromise previous negotiations.
- Abuser may use name calling, mind games, denial of human necessities like food, water, shelter as needed, health care and so forth, especially in ways that reduce a victim’s self-esteem.
- Abuser may threaten to expose victim or your lifestyle to ‘vanilla’ co-workers, family members, or children.
- Abuser may initiate inappropriate or harmful punishments or withhold appreciation or affection as punishment.
- Abuser may deny a behavior is abusive and/or may minimize abuse. The abuser may also accuse you of making abuse up, not being submissive/Dominant enough, and so forth.
Trust your instincts. If you feel in danger, make a plan to get out.
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Simply Service Newsletter from November 2005
Included in this edition:
- My Journey by slavedebbie
- Community Unity by Master Kalan
- Declutter 101 by Tante Jen
- Metamorphosis by slave a
- Naturally Polyamourous by Mistress Pamela
- Essay by E Missy Hall
- Intimate Partner Abuse in the BDSM Lifestyle by sequi
Just Wait Till Your Father Gets Home: Telling Your Family
May 30, 2009 by Guest Author
Filed under BDSM Basics
This post is from Norische. She allows anyone to post her articles anywhere they will do some good. I could not come up with a better way to say what she does in this article. Please enjoy and comment! I’d love to hear if you have told your family and how it went.
“So what are you, some kind of Satanist, or what?” This was one of the first things my sister said when she walked into my house.
It had been almost a year since I had seen my sister, she doesn’t live that far away but she has alwaysbeen a little on the judgmental side and so she and I have never truly been that close. She stopped by my house not long ago, no phone call, no warning, she just popped in for a visit…thankfully she didn’t have her two young sons with her. I am very open about my choices and my lifestyle, however I have never breached the subject with either of my sisters.
When you walk into my parlor/office the first thing you see is a wall of “toys”. Floggers, whips, paddles, and canes of all types, along with a large grouping of miscellaneous torture devices and implements of all types which decorate one half of the room. Of course chains, suspension devices, harnesses, and stirrups also embellish the archway to my dinning room. A leather-covered horse sitting right smack dab in the middle of the office also seems rather conspicuous as you walk into the room.
Normally I am very proud of my lifestyle choices and have no problem talking to anyone about the interesting and useful items that decorate my home. However, when my sister walked into my house I was literally at a loss for words.
To help you understand a little better, let me describe my sister a little to you. My sister and I are 16 months apart in age, I am the youngest. She is married and has been for several years; she was 24 yrs old before she went out on her first date. The first man she ever kissed is also the only man she has ever kissed, her husband. She lived with my parents until she moved in with her husband and his parents. She now has two young sons, ages 9 and 5. The have a nice little house in a nice little neighborhood and she is the picture of the perfect wife and strict mother. She is very active in her church and is a model of the average clean cut, straight-laced woman in her community.
When my sister first walked into my home I thought about how she would react, and then I worried if she would be offended and finally I wondered if she would even understand my lifestyle and the items in my home. Well to make it simple not only did she not understand the things that she saw but she also was completely clueless about what the BDSM lifestyle is truly about. At first she blushed and avoided looking at the floggers and whips, I could tell that she was very uncomfortable. I began to talk to her as I do with anyone; hoping that my openness would show her that there is nothing wrong or “sick” about the way I live my life. I also tried to help her understand the difference between the facts and myths about BDSM.
Myth:
All BDSM involves pain, or inflicting pain.
Fact:
There are several different types of Domination, some do indeed involve pain but others do not, it is a matter of choice in a relationship as to the addition or degree of pain included.
Myth:
BDSM is nothing more than kinky sex play.
Fact:
Sex may or may not be involved in a BDSM relationship; again it is a choice between those involved.
Myth:
BDSM is against God, or somehow Satanic in nature.
Fact:
There are several religions that use pain as a means of showing devotion, for centuries priest have beat themselves with sticks, whips and canes to show their sincerity to God. In many churches pleasure is viewed as the pathway to Hell, hence it has been summarized that pain must be the pathway to Heaven. From the Sun Dance of the Native Americans to the Flagellants of the Philippines pain has been viewed as a means of getting closer to God, not as a sin.
Myth:
BDSM is abuse.
Fact:
It is understood within the BDSM lifestyle that all activities must be consensual, even slavery. Before an individual can be a slave they must agree to the requirements, rules, and behaviors that are expected, before he or she is accepted as a slave. Once an arrangement is made, they seemingly loose the ability to say no, but this is untrue. Depending on the negotiations and the original contract the slave may be given certain rights or may wave those rights…but the fact is that the choice is theirs to accept the arrangements or to refuse. Safe, Sane and CONSENTUAL.
Myth:
BDSM is not normal.
Fact:
“Normal” is defined in many ways. Most people define normal as what is considered socially acceptable by the majority of the populous. If this is an accurate description then no one can be considered normal. Are Jews normal or are Christians normal? Are heterosexuals normal or are homosexuals normal? Are Native Americans the normal ones or is it the African Americans that are normal? Is it normal to be rich or poor? Is it normal to be married or divorced or single? Are you normal if you have a college degree or if you don’t have a high school diploma? Personally being “normal” is way over rated…I prefer to be unique, an individual.
After I spent my afternoon explaining my lifestyle to my sister, she began to understand a little about my life. However even with all the information I gave her, the last thing she stated to me was “Well if this is what you want then, I guess it is ok. I just want to let you know that I will not be bringing my kids over again.” With that she left and since then our communication has been limited to polite conversation. She hasn’t brought up our conversation again nor has she come back to visit.
I have never truly feared speaking to my family about my lifestyle nor have I ever avoided the subject or lied about my life…however, I have always known the reaction that I would encounter.
From my daughter I have had open acceptance, she was raised to accept all those that make the universe unique and wonderful. As she grew up she was slowly, and I stress the word slowly, exposed to alternative lifestyles. When she was 19 yrs old I felt she could understand enough about my lifestyle choices that I decided to get a slave. At first she didn’t know how to handle it, after they talked for a while she understood better and they became friends, and remained so even after his release. When we moved from Arkansas to Missouri I waited a couple of years and then got a submissive male as well as a male slave; my daughter began to understand the difference between the two. She honestly had no patience for the submissive but loved having my slave around. I never exposed my daughter to the S & M side of things but she was not ignorant either. It didn’t honestly shock me much when I found out she had bought a pony whip, the only thing that I wanted to know was she giving or receiving…I never asked, some things a mother just doesn’t need to know.
From my mother I had a confused understanding, she accepted the need for control and obedience but she could not understand the involvement of pain. My mother was a traditional Native American, our tribe is matriarchal…the women are in charge. I was raised by a strong woman, amongst strong women, and therefore the desire for control comes quite natural. She may have only been 4 foot 11 inches tall but it always seemed the whole world trembled at her command.
From my father I have been shunned, after my mother’s death my father remarried and the individual he married is a racist and a bigot. Since then his wife has seen to it that we no longer speak, nor am I allowed to go to my mother’s home.
From one sister I have been given a polite acknowledgement, simply put she is ok with my choices as long as they do not affect her or her family. Being Christian does not necessarily make one close-minded but it definitely narrows the realm of acceptance. Even though my sister goes to a more progressive church, she is still limited as to her interpretation of acceptable behaviors, and lifestyles.
From my other sister, perhaps some day I shall breach the subject, but not yet.
Do not fear what your family with think, or say, or even do. The only thing you should fear is ignorance. If someone does not accept your lifestyle that is ok, they have the right to their own opinions. If someone avoids associating with you because of choices that you have made, this too is a choice, it is their choice.
A slave I had in the past was faced with a horrible dilemma, lie to his family or admit his lifestyle choices and face the consequences. He refused to lie and when asked he explained his role in my house to his family. They threatened to have him committed, to take away his car (which they had paid for), to pull his college scholarship (which they had set up when he was a small child) and disown him. Rather than shame his family he asked to be released, I have not seen him since.
Pretending to be someone you are not is almost as difficult as trying to hide who you really are. Be proud of yourself, your choices, and your way of life. You do not need anyone’s approval, acceptance or understanding…it is a welcome gift that your family and friends can give to you but it is not necessary nor should it be expected.
As with everything this is my opinion, take what you will and leave the rest. If you wish to contact me, my email address is Norisch1@mchsi.com. If you wish to see more of my work you may find a complete listing of all my writings at…. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norisches_Quill/ in the files section.
Daddy/Little Girl Relationships: A Personal Look
May 8, 2009 by Guest Author
Filed under Relationships
This is a guest post by ~melly. She’s in a Daddy/little girl dynamic and volunteered to write this post for Submissive Guide.
i’ve slept with a teddy bear all my life. this may seem insignificant, but it’s really not,. i had my teddy bear with me when i moved in with Master. i held him every night, and was tucked in with him when Master sent me to bed. When i was moved into a kennel for sleeping, the bear moved with me. This was the jumping off point for my D/g relationship with Master. When reaching for my bear one night, i felt especially “small”. i whined in a very little-girl-like manner. And looking up at Master, i felt comforted in a way that piqued something in me.
Later, i expressed to Master my little girl inside. i’ve always been child-like in my wonder and expression of joy and sadness, and Master had told me it was one of the things that endeared me to Him. He had me write an essay about being little, about wanting a Daddy. i poured out my feelings, and when He had me read my assignment aloud to Him, i was in tears. i blushed and was embarrassed at my desire to be little. i was shy about my connection to the little inside me. i was worried that He might reject that part of me, and be unwilling to be my daddy.
All those worries were very much in vain. i first called Him “Daddy” when He was tending to a wound on my hand (a splinter, gone infected.), cleaning it because it was awkward for me to reach. the alcohol burned, and i was shocked at my own self to hear a gasped “Daddy!!” leave my lips. He didn’t even blink. He just kissed my forehead, and told me, “Daddy doesn’t like hurting you like this. it’ll be over soon.” He was right, of course. The pain subsided, and the wound healed over the next few days, but i wrestled with that word, that place. Master, however, was already settling into His role, and later, when i asked Him if it was okay that i had called Him “Daddy”, he smiled gently, and hugged me close. No other answer was needed.
Over the past two years, my little and Master’s Daddy have grown into each other. And the two of us have settled deeply into those places with each other. i read to Him from my Nick Jr. subscription. He laughs and traces the mazes when i tell Him i can’t find the path. i can see His pleasure when i am excited and giggle. i put my arms around His waist, and He holds me and tells me i’m a good girl. and i am. inside our D/g dynamic, i have an innocence, a simplicity, that can’t be had elsewhere. i have an excitement and a wonder that is unsurpassed. i have a trust that can’t be broken. and Master takes all these things, and gives me the counterparts. He is the strong Daddy. He is the comforting hand. He is the responsibility that i can’t handle.
Ageplay, for some, is a separate activity from their everyday selves. Sometimes, i am more or less little, but i have not engaged in separate roleplay style “ageplay” for quite some time. Why? Well, because at some point, i stopped separating my little and my grown up selves. i embraced my little, even in the midst of being grown-up melly. My Master/Daddy understands this. We shifted into that gradually. Initially, i would put on a special t-shirt, put my hair up in braids. Turn on the TV to cartoons. It would take me a bit of time to “get into” being little. Now, it’s natural, and an inclusive part of my behavior. i don’t dress a particular way, or do anything special to send me into little space, though sometimes, i’ll pull my sippy cup down, and i often color to relieve stress and gain a sense of achievement from Master by showing Daddy my pretty pictures.
The D/g dynamic has vastly improved our relationship, because of the behaviors inherent in being little. trust, often fostered over a long period of time, came quickly. Fears were lost in the face of the wide-eyed wonder of a child. Communication flows freely between little melly and her Daddy, and she never has to worry about being judged. Even in the BDSM sense, things that grown-up melly might feel shame for become innocent in light of a child’s sense of exploration. Fears are only fears, and can be overcome. When i AM afraid, i can be comforted, and allowed to cry.
Emotionally, i am more stable when i am able to actively engage my little on a continuous basis. Mentally, i am more whole when i can allow this part of me to not only come out, but be ever-present. It IS who i am. i can no more erase her than i can erase my hand. Even if i remove it, there will be a stump, and something will be missing.
Just tonight, i asked Master, “Why do you like being my Daddy?” His response: “I don’t know… there’s just something about it. something .. important.” Indeed. Something very important. To us, having this dynamic is a closeness and a comfort. Master has never been a Daddy before. i’ve never been able to integrate my little into myself as fully as i have. Actually, i think i am about as fully integrated as i can get. And i think that’s very very good, for both of us.
i do realize that not all people do it like we do. It is perfectly fine to put on your hair ribbons and ageplay a single scene every few weeks. That’s just not what we do. i’m a 24-7 little girl, just like i’m a 24-7 slave. Sometimes, it’s more overt, sometimes, more subdued, but it is a very real and very important part of who i am. i am growing into BOTH of those identities more fully every day, learning more about myself in the process. i honestly hope i never stop!
Every night, i tell Master, “You’re the best Daddy in the whole world…” and true to His form, He replies, “i’m really glad you think so.” He IS the best Daddy for me. And i am the best little girl for Him. it’s now integral to our relationship, not added on. it’s who WE are.
~melly is the full-time live-in slave, partner, and little girl of Syr David. She has been His property for two years, and has been His little girl for the majority of that time. She enjoys knitting to calm her mind, baking to feed her soul and her family’s tummies, and proudly wears her Master’s mark in tattoo and brand, as well as wearing His collar. They live in Northwestern Arkansas on a five acre farm with Syr David’s other partner and their three cats, four horses, and dog, all of whom making melly’s cleaning responsibilities as a stay-at-home more immediate. she loves them anyway.
7 Things You Can Do Today to Impove Your Submission
April 17, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
A question I see asked all the time is “how can I be a better submissive?” Here are a few things you can do to make your submission and service better without a lot of work.
1. Move with purpose. If you have been asked to fetch something or approach your Dominant, be precise in your moments, allow your natural grace out. You can be fast and still be beautiful to watch. Be mindful of your moments, remove the fidgeting, check your posture and enhance your natural body movements. If you naturally sway, make it slow and sultry. If you have a dance in your step, don’t try to force it out.
2. Think before you speak. Filling your speech with ums and ahs is not only annoying but a sign of disorder. Show your Dominant that you appreciate the ability to speak or that you care about how you sound by making sure you know what you want to say before you say it. If you don’t know what to say, express that you need a moment to collect your thoughts, your Dominant should appreciate your attention and care to being open and honest about your preparedness for the conversation.
3. Enhance a basic service. I use the coffee service a lot around here, but it really does help to explain a lot of different things. I have taken the basic serve of his coffee and added a piece to it that he appreciates. I announce his coffee when I arrive with it. I place it where he requires it and say, ‘Your coffee Master.’ Something as simple as slowing your steps like you see in a Japanese Tea Ceremony can be an enhancement that improves your submission.
4. Learn a new skill. There is never a moment that a submissive should stop learning. Picking up talents and skills to better please your Dominant should be one of your basic tasks. This can be cooking a special recipe, a sexual technique or playing chess.
5. Meditate on your submission. Take a time out and think about your submission. Reflect on the day or week and think about things that went well or didn’t go well. Find ways you can improve yourself or your submission while relaxing. Develop a mantra to say during your meditation if you wish.
6. Kneel or sit at his/her feet when they are busy. Sometimes just being there when they didn’t expect you to be can be a great way to express your submission to them. Appearing at their feet without any expectation of anything from them can provide comfort and pride and help you with your feelings of submission.
7. Ask for advice from other senior submissives. Your best fountain of information are submissives that have been where you are. Permission to talk to other submissives is nice to have so that you have a support system in place and you will never stop learning and growing.
8, 9, 10? Do you have ideas of what I could put here to make it 10 Things? 20 Things? If you have ideas, I’d love it if you could share them.
photo credit by c.a. muller
Two Dominants
April 11, 2009 by Guest Author
Filed under Relationships
Today’s guest post is by Aria, a bi poly switch kinkster.
So currently I have 2 dominants, Edge and Vice. You would think that to have 2 Doms I would have to be the most submissive woman ever, but I’m a switch. I often call myself a beta-top because I love to co-top with them. Fortunately for me they let my top side come out when I need release, just as long as I don’t try to top them.
Having 2 dominants has worked out very smoothly for the three of us actually. I’ve been with Vice for 4 years and have only been with Edge for a year and a half. When Edge and I first started dating I didn’t know he was a Dom since he had minimal experience in the lifestyle. Especially when we started, Edge was very deferential to Vice. We used to laugh at how careful he was not to step on toes. Being so polite and considerate I think really helped Vice grow to trust him and keep down jealousy issues as well. Which isn’t to say we never have problems. No relationship is perfect, and by writing this I certainly don’t mean to say we are. As with most relationships, communication is key. Most of the time a problem pops up it comes back to some miscommunication.
A few basic rules are what keep us working well together.
Rule 1 – They don’t contradict each other.
Let’s say Edge gives me an order that I am not to orgasm for the next week. He will always make an exception for Vice. “If Vice wants you to come for him or you come because of something he does, then that’s ok. “ Or he would specifically ask Vice to approve a punishment (or help enforce it).
Rule 2- They back each other up. They help enforce each others rules and punishments. This of course takes communication between them.
Rule 3 – They don’t interfere in problems I’m having with the other one.
Often I need to vent about something to someone who understands. This usually means my other partner. They listen, offer some advice, and at the end almost always say “so when are you going to go talk to him about it?”
Rule 4- Before going to an event we establish who my main Dom is for that time period. This doesn’t mean I can’t play with, cuddle, or interact with the other Dom, just that the main one gets decision making power. They get to say what I wear or who I play with. Fortunately they share very well. At Beat Me in St. Louis this year, they split up the weekend so that each one got to be in charge one day of the event.
Issues do occasionally pop up however. I enjoy the submissive role, but I’m not naturally very submissive. Sometimes getting me to submit (and not just be a brat or a SAM) is difficult. Vice lives with me, so he and I have to interact as equal partners quite a bit. This makes it hard for me to submit to him especially. He struggled with some envy when I began playing with Edge because Edge and I got to date and play without much real world interference. We never had to fight about who’s turn it was to do the dishes or take out the dog because we didn’t live together. This meant it was easier for me to get in the submission mindset and let go easier. We also always seemed to go somewhere fun and interesting and new when we went out. Vice felt like the two of us didn’t get the same kind of time I got with Edge. Which brings me to rule number 5.
Rule 5- They don’t try to get more time with me by stealing from the other one.
I’ve known poly couples where every time their partner was out on a date, some crisis would come up. They would call in a panic and need their partner to come home immediately. Every time. This isn’t a good way to handle jealousy/envy/loneliness. You’ve got to own your feelings and ask for what you want. Being the person in the middle, it was my job to make sure that Vice still knew I cared about him, and that I still liked submitting to him and playing with him. It was his job to handle his emotions as best he could and ask for reassurance when he needed it. In this case, the problem was that every time I went out with Edge it was fun and special. Vice and I needed some special time of our own, without the normal interferences of daily life. We set up a dedicated Dungeon Date night for Vice and I, where we could focus on keeping the kink part of our life active. Making sure we had some “special time” time together helped us keep our connection alive while I was building a new one with Edge.
Playing with two Doms has been really good for me as a submissive cause it has allowed me to learn a great deal about myself, and that carries over to both my relationships. They have two different styles and techniques, and that brings out two different sides of my submission. Each did things that seemed to “work”. Finding something that works in one relationship gave me insight into the other. Successfully going deeper in submission in one relationship helped me be brave enough to go deeper in submission in my other relationship.
So what do I do make it work?
I’ve been really lucky in finding these Doms. They both really want me to be happy with the other one. They honestly want me to have hot scenes and hot sex, just as I wish for them and their other partners. I’ve sort of made it sound like to successfully have two partners, they’ve had to do all the work. But these rules apply to me too. So what do I do to make this work? I don’t ask one partner to interfere with another, I don’t try to get them to contradict each other. I make sure I ask which one will be in charge for the evening before we get there.
All people need reassurance, and that includes Dominants. Especially if they know you are playing with more than one person. People say you aren’t supposed to compare your partners and I don’t in the sense of saying someone is “better” than someone else. But I do compare them when I say things like “Well Edge is really good at this part, but Vice is really good at that part”. I make it clear that my partners know what great stuff I get from them and no one else. If you make your partner feel special and treasured, they won’t feel as anxious when you are away from them.
As I said above, miscommunication is what causes most of our problems. Being in the middle I consider it my job to facilitate communication. I’m pretty talkative, but I try to let the men have their say too. I try to ask how they feel about things so they know its ok to talk about or bring up. I also immediately made it clear to them that they can speak to each other when I’m not there. They have each others phone numbers, email addresses, and chat names. Once they have that info, I need to get out of their way. I need to trust that they are big boys who can handle the communication between themselves without me being involved. Like I said above, submitting is sometimes difficult for me, so this is often a struggle, but I do my best.
That being said, it is also my job to bring up issues as I see them. If I see a huge roadblock, or someone crossing a line, it is my duty to bring it up. But hopefully in a calm and non-inflammatory manner.
Overall, being in a 2 dominant relationship is like being in any poly relationship. Have lots of communication and handle disagreements in the least dramatic way possible.
Aria is a bi poly switch kinkster. She lives in Iowa and frequently travels to conventions in St. Louis. She’s AriaSwitch on fetlife and can be contacted at Aria@boundforfun.com.
Learning to Apply Makeup
March 30, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Health and Beauty
Some relationships and Dominants require their submissives to wear a certain level of make up. My Master requires that I wear makeup before leaving the house. Others I know like fake nails, or nice manicures, pedicures and fancy make up.
There are a lot of tips out there on how to apply makeup so that it looks clean, fresh and natural looking to strong, loud and fancy. Looking your best for your partner can be an integral part of taking care of yourself. Here are a list of some of the best places to find tutorials and tips for making up your face.
Please feel free to share your own tips and tricks in the comments, they could wind up in another post next week for shared readers tips!
Do you have any tried and true makeup tips to share?
photo by annia316
Simply Service
February 20, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
A once-a-month newsletter/e-zine written for service oriented people, by service oriented people in M/s, D/s or Leather relationships.
| About the Editor |
| Linda “BootPig” Hall is a former Ms. Olympus Leather, President and Secretary of the Phoenix boys of Leather. She teaches on service -related topics, and in conjunction with Whipmaster Bob Clark on SM topics at events all over the country.You can contact her through email at: wmb.bootpig@gmail.com |
Current contributors are all slave or submissive identified, and in real time relationships where obedience and service are necessary, valued skills, achieved over time. I have been fortunate enough to meet these lovely people all over the country, and have delighted in great conversations, where we sometimes agree, and sometimes disagree, but are bound by a mutual respect of each other’s choices. Occasionally, words from the “other side” might be included as well, as many perspectives will be represented.
Many current contributors are active in their own local leather communities, as well as maintaining relationships, homes, jobs and more. We know it can be a balancing act. We know it isn’t pretty all the time. We’ll be sharing our stories, tricks, tips, lessons learned (easy and hard), mistakes, and human foibles.
Every possible relationship combination will be represented, as this is about service, and can transcend gender and role orientations. Contributors are encouraged to write about issues they are currently facing, and as such each issue may go in a number of directions. The thought of “theming” issues has arisen, and is on hold at this time to allow for freedom of expression and creativity as this project finds a niche of its own. Philosophy, skill training, methods, and more may be examined.
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Online Encounters and the Danger of Blind Faith
February 18, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Online Submission, Safety
As a novice submissive in this technology age you typically explore submission online in chat room and in instant messaging. There is nothing wrong with this avenue for dipping your toe in the water. There are, however, very real dangers that predators use to capture novices and can do more harm to your curiosity than good.
These predators use blind faith to pressure you into compliance as a demonstration of your ‘true’ submissiveness. They may use tactics like, ‘If you are submissive you will do x, y and z for me.’ The may also ask you for a lot of information as a test and yet they remain completely hidden. You could come away with absolutely no real information about them but they could know you like a book.
So, what is blind faith anyway? Let’s start with the dictionary definition:
BLIND: To conceal or to put something forward for the purpose of misleading. Subterfuge. One who acts to the point of insensibility.
FAITH: To trust, give allegiance or loyalty to another. Fidelity to one’s promises. Or, a firm belief in something for which there is no proof. It can also mean to offer a binding promise.
From the definition we can see that there is deceit and masking to provide trust and respect from another person. In the realm of online D/s this can be an access point for predators to find pliable victims to do illegal activities such as identity theft, physical harm or sexual violation.
You may be thinking that it’s all online, you can’t honestly be in that much danger from someone online. It is important to remember that first contacts are with total strangers. You do not know who is on the other end of the screen. The usage of testing your submissiveness immediately should be a warning sign. A healthy Dominant will not need to know every single detail of a submissive’s life within the first conversation. A predator wants to glean information from you as fast as possible to find your weak points. They will be more interested in your personality, reactions, and interactions with them. Simple chemistry. Open natural conversations tend to reveal and answer most questions easily. A predator takes the time to learn what issues will trigger a submissive, how to speak to them and how to assault them.
Do not let yourself believe that trust and compliance is necessary from the beginning with anyone. A healthy Dominant knows that trust is something learned and earned between parties and will be patient with you while they gain your respect. You may be a novice to BDSM, but you are not new to life. You wouldn’t trust the stranger sitting next to you on the bus with your personal belongings; don’t trust the person on the other end of the keyboard with your information.
Blind faith testing
is a way of turning a submissives ‘desire to perform’ against them. There is no negotiation during this type of offering, the entirety of it is one sided or leading. A new submissive can easily be enticed into completing and following this pathway of tests often giving out personal information that if they were asked directly they would not answer. There is a subtle desire to ‘do this test well’ for this apparent Dominant. There is often additional pressure applied through stressed time frames for the completion of each test. This additional pressure may make the submissive feel desired but most often pushes them into revealing life details that they should not reveal to a total stranger.” (Mistress Steel, “Blind Faith,” http://www.steel-door.com)
Trust should not be given to anyone sporting a Dominant sounding name on the Internet. Trust is earned through significant consistent actions by that Dominant over a period of time. If a Dominant cannot offer any kind of references or information about themselves then you should not give to that person any level of blind faith or trust!
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Submission By Choice: Learned Submission
January 5, 2009 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission
Submission has been called a gift. It has been said to be a natural characteristic. Submission is also a choice. When I first entered the lifestyle, no one would have mistaken me for a submissive. I am strong willed, commanding and independent. I have a dominant personality. Nature, society and the way I was brought up made me that way. However through my explorations I found a desire in me that only grew over time. This desire was to submit to someone, to be the one person in someone’s life that they could count on to serve them in whatever capacity they needed. This made my decision to become submissive rather plain to see.
When one chooses a role in this lifestyle there are usually clues as to what role will make you the happiest. These clues are desire, a sense of emptiness, and a need. The most important choice you can make is based on the desires you have. Do you desire to serve someone, to give the control of your life over to someone else? Do you feel a void in your life because you can not be the one someone calls upon for their needs? Is there an overpowering need to be of service? Are you always helping others, and wanting to volunteer for things and taking on every task as your own because it makes you feel good? These are clues that you may be submissive. Now I say maybe, because all people have these draws in life, it’s just that submissives have it in excess.
It’s not an easy task to draw out the submissive nature within you if it isn’t already present in all you do. If you are like me, you struggle and rebel at the slightest challenge in character or task that you just ‘don’t feel like doing’. The goal is to submit anyway and to feel that the importance of your life is the imprint of your service on another. The journey to this goal is challenging and full of baby steps. Something accomplished, no matter how small, opens your mind and heart up to what is naturally there; submission.
Let’s use a personal example:
My Master requires that if I plan on going out, that I wear make up. It’s not an abundance of make up, nor is it really hard to do as he asks. However, when he first requested this of me, I refused. I didn’t understand why he would care if I wore make up or not. I didn’t know what purpose it would serve to require me to wear make up. I purposefully forgot to do it; I struggled with the reason for it. It took me months to do it on a daily basis.
Now I can see exactly why this request was upon me. He knew that when I wore make up I felt better about my physical appearance, I adjusted my behavior to a more ladylike level, and I was certainly more appealing to look at. His purpose was to remind me that I am beautiful, that he knows I feel that way with make up on, and that it is his choice to see me at my best; to improve myself for him.
This was one of my first steps in my transition, a transition that is still ongoing. I am by far finished. When you reach this point, where you are slowly making changes in your behavior and attitude you find that you are more eager to serve, that you find pleasure and enjoyment in the pride that shows in your partner’s face. After these beginning steps, you can add more steps. You can begin to make personal changes. Perhaps you want to become more active, or you want to have your clothing picked out before bed for the next day. These things can be done in the same manner, but without requirement from your partner (unless that is their choice). Achievement is addictive. Find those things you want to do or have always dreamed of being and then work towards it. It requires taking the initiative, maintaining motivation and a strong support system.
Take the initiative to draw up your plan of action. Be it to get up earlier and get housework done sooner, or to train yourself to be more sexually pliable. These are all possible with a bit of preplanning. Make a to-do list, set up a schedule and talk it through with your partner. You should figure out what steps are necessary to achieving your goal. Always remember baby steps and don’t push yourself past what you can do. For example if you intend on getting up at 5 am, and your normal schedule has you getting up at 7am, don’t shock your system and just start setting the clock for 5am, it won’t work. Remember to baby step toward your goal. If you want to do something sexually that is different than you do normally that usually requires practice, and who would argue with that?! First and foremost take the time to figure out what needs doing to get the job done.
The most difficult step is maintaining the motivation past the first exhilarating few days, weeks or months. I find that refreshing your small goals often helps give you a boost of encouragement from time to time. If a goal has become difficult, shrink it down a bit and go for that. Never give up! Keeping going is not easy. It takes hard work and concentration. Many reasons why people fail are because they loose motivation. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen to me. Another method to success is a great support system.
A support system can be anyone. Your partner is a good place to go first, but if there are going to be punishments applied to failings, you won’t want them as your only support. Seek out friends and other submissives that may be doing exactly what you are doing; changing. Keep in contact with them on a regular basis, even if you are doing well with your baby steps, encouraging others when they reach a hard place helps your goals as well. Stir your motivation and help others as they help you.
Finding the submissive in you is not easy, but it’s not impossible. There is a rocky road to any goal. The starting point is finding that part of yourself that wants to serve and be of service for someone. Then build on it and you can become submissive. You can feel that void fill with meaning and humble pride for your accomplishments. Find your true place in this lifestyle and never look back! Set a goal, work hard towards it and maintain your support system. Everything is possible.
Your Bathing Regime
December 30, 2008 by lunaKM
Filed under Health and Beauty
You may have been bathing yourself since you were 5 or 6, but if you haven’t changed your bathing routine since then, you may want to consider growing up and learning an adult way to bathe. Each person may have cleaning preferences and this is to be just a guideline and recommendation for bathing and grooming. Preparing your body for your dominant partner is a basic requirement that will amaze and delight them, besides a clean body makes you feel good too.
How frequently you bathe is as important as what you do in the bathroom to groom yourself. If you are like me, I bathe more in the summer than the winter, but you should be able to bathe at least once every day. Your body sweats, sloughs off skin and develops body oils that we can’t see. We should wash them off and reset our pheromones. Any area the generates waste needs to be cleaned at least daily. If you have sex you should bathe afterward. It’s amazing how many people don’t bathe everyday. If you don’t live in a 3rd world country then you should have no problem bathing every single day. Water is easily accessible.
Supplies
Having the right soaps and cleaning supplies will also make your bathing experience enjoyable and you’ll leave feeling clean, refreshed and hydrated.
Soap:
Most low quality soaps will strip your natural oils from your skin and you will end up with dry skin. Select a higher quality moisturizing soap in a scent that won’t conflict with any perfumes or other scents you may wear.
Shampoo and Conditioner:
Hydration and damage repair are good for highly stylized hair. Find one that is meant for your hair type, don’t go cheap when it comes to hair care, or it will show in dull, damaged or dry, brittle hair.
Moisturizer:
Finding a body lotion can be very important. Use one with a light scent that won’t conflict with your perfume or other scents you may wear. Apply it after your bath to lock in moisture and keep you glowing all day.
Facial cleansers:
These are a personal decision. I’ve been blessed with pretty blemish-free skin, so I choose not to cleanse my face daily, but every other day it gets a cleaning so that the oils that have collected don’t start to shine. I do remove my make-up every night, however.
Preparation
Take the time you need to clean yourself correctly. Do not rush through your bathing routine. Remember that you are caring for your owner’s property, or your future owner’s property. How would you like it to be treated? Start now. Make sure you have the time to do it right and don’t skip a step. Make sure you bathe in the hottest water you can stand to open up your pores.
Completion
A clean body is a healthy body. Remember that you are learning to not only care for yourself in the most basic manner, but you will be able to later extend that experience to bathing others, if you are so required to. Enjoy your fresh, clean and healthy skin. You will begin to notice a difference and so will the others around you.
Discovering Your Submissive Nature
December 20, 2008 by lunaKM
Filed under Defining Submission, Mindset
Discovering your submissive nature isn’t always a sudden process. For many people it takes some soul searching to see that you may enjoy being a people-pleaser or that when someone asks you to do something you happily do it without a second thought. For others it takes some social reprogramming to allow your full nature to come out.
There are two identified forms of submission; natural and learned. Of these two it is more common to be a learned submissive. Natural submission is not just about always wanting to make someone happy, but the inner joy and peace that comes automatically without any training. For those submissives that have it naturally, serving a dominant becomes second nature quite easily.
Learned submission takes a lot more effort but is just as rewarding. It may begin with a small pang of happiness when you have done something that makes your dominant happy. As you continue to achieve that praise your mind begins to rewrite the social coding for serving. Once your behaviors have been changed by either training or self-taught behavior modification you can not tell a natural submissive apart from a learned submissive. The joy in serving is equal.
When Do You Learn
Learning you are submissive for most people is an acceptance of themselves. Societal behaviors have taught us from a young age that we should help ourselves first, and that helping others in a form of service is actually lower class. The natural progression for a person to realize they are submissive is that perhaps you have always enjoyed doing things for others without a return. The return was actually the feeling of fulfillment of your purpose. This likely didn’t have the term submissive attached to it until you were introduced to the lifestyle.
Since I am a learned submissive it actually took quite a while for me to see in myself that I had an inner peace when I helped others, or when I served my Owner. For many like me, it’s a slow learning process that only you can oversee. No one can make you submissive. It will be a struggle within yourself to break down barriers and relearn traits that you thought were not a part of you.
You can’t have anyone else tell you who you are. You have to take the time to discover it yourself. You can do that by reading more about submission, talking to elder, more experienced submissives or going through a self-training program like Miss Abernathy’s Concise Slave Training Manual, now in an Omnibus called Erotic Slavehood: A Miss Abernathy Omnibus. Once you discover your nature, you can develop it and cause it to flourish and grow.
Submissive Blossoming
Once you discover that you are submissive it is almost overwhelming what you can do with it. Being submissive is not limiting, but freeing. Now you can take your talents and help and serve others with it. Identifying your talents and strengths is just the first step. You then can study and improve yourself with items that focus your submission more so your partner will better benefit from your service.
Are you good at organization? Maybe cooking and baking makes you happy? What about personal safety or escort service? The activities you enjoy can now be a part of your service to a potential owner. Take a course to enhance your knowledge or buy some study manuals. Learning is never frowned upon in a submissive.
What about things you want to learn? Make a short list now of all the things you’d love to learn. Make a mark next to them if they would be considered a help to someone else. This could be massage, event planning, machinery, home repair, crafts, writing and beauty care to name a few. Anything can be a talent to bring to your service. The more services you know and hone to your best ability the more valuable you become to your Owner.
Bring Pride to Your Submission
Developing your personal pride in your submission provides a glow of happiness to your role, your heart and your relationship. Humbly allowing your joy in serving to radiate around you increases your personal worth and can cheer others. The passion for service is something rarely cultured enough to be of value in this materialistic, hurried world. Allow your fulfillment to drive you to do good for not only yourself, but others.
Your submissive nature is unique. No one submits in exactly the same way and it is impossible to really define submission in a general manner because of this. A habit of mine, and will continue though this site is that a submissive is one who serves, in any capacity desired. Slaves are also considered submissives with this definition. While it is discussed in many many places that slaves and submissives are separate, for the sake of discussion here I’d like to join the idea of service to both roles.
Allow you submissive nature to mold you and bring you happiness. It is the driving force in life.
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